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From: Mark.Baker@mettav.exnet.com (Mark Baker)
Date: 06 Jul 94 13:27:52
Message-Id: <UUCP.773547910@mettav>
Subject: Re: available keys
To: gem-list@world.std.com (gem-list@world.std.com)
Precedence: bulk
Timothy:
>> I agree. I suggest that the difference between BKSP and shift BKSP would
>> be: BKSP can't delete CR while shift BKSP can (like in Edith).
>
> Shift-Backspace should do the same as Backspace, and CR is the same as
> any other character that can be deleted. Are you putting physical
> returns at the ends of your lines within paragraphs? Ick!
Definitely shift-BS and BS should be the same, as then you can use BS when
still holding shift. I don't like Edith doing this but even worse Everest has
this annoying way of deleting everything you've typed if you accidentally keep
your finger on shift while deleting. Good thing the undo works :)
> windows when they're clicked in not only confuse and frustrate people
> (myself included), but they often make simple things (like topping
> windows when you WANT to) difficult.
Especially on MultiTOS or with WinX - if none of the client area and none of
the gadgets top the window it's a bit difficult :)
> GEM is its own user interface, with its own peculiarities and traits and
> features that make it distinct from (and some times superior to) other
> GUI's. Let's not go mucking that up in ways that we don't need to.
I agree. The standard should basically be writing down what is already good
practice in GEM applications, not completely changing how GEM works. People
might prefer the Mac, Xwindows, OS/2 or even possibly mswindows, but this isn't
any of those, it's an Atari with it's own conventions.
> I want my apps to work on people's computers without a lot of crap. I
> don't want to have to confuse the user by having them install a new
> program in the AUTO folder to take up more memory just to add a few
> features to the OS, especially if they have to pay extra for this
> utility.
Obviously you can have your app enhanced by it, such as select multiple files
with Selectric, or use skewed or rotated fonts with speedo, or help from
ST-guide. What you shouldn't do is rely on it to work at all.
Mark-Oliver:
>> * Selectric - German
> yep - the best fileselector around :)
Yes, although I've started using BoxKite now which is nearly as good and
supports long filenames with minixfs.
Warwick:
>> Atari have done more damage with their guide lines.
>> They came too late when the standards de-facto have long been
>> established.
>
> What are we doing?
:) Anyway, I don't think standards had long been established. A lot of German
programs used the Profibuch's standard but this was not used universally by a
long way. What the standard should mostly be is a compilation of what is
already good practice anyway.
> Note that it's still non-modal in GEMforms and GEMhotforms. Only for
> windows does it become modal.
So it's inconsistent. Oh dear... ;)
Michael:
> If there's no majority against APP_DEFS.SYS, then we must make sure that
> programmers have to support APP_DEFS.SYS.
Yes it must be supported universally or not at all. Otherwise the user will
have some apps doing what is set by them in the app_sefs.sys file, and some
using the normal shortcuts - and both supposedly conforming.