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- From: Mark.Baker@mettav.exnet.com (Mark Baker)
- Date: 06 Jul 94 13:27:52
- Message-Id: <UUCP.773547910@mettav>
- Subject: Re: available keys
- To: gem-list@world.std.com (gem-list@world.std.com)
- Precedence: bulk
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- Timothy:
- >> I agree. I suggest that the difference between BKSP and shift BKSP would
- >> be: BKSP can't delete CR while shift BKSP can (like in Edith).
- >
- > Shift-Backspace should do the same as Backspace, and CR is the same as
- > any other character that can be deleted. Are you putting physical
- > returns at the ends of your lines within paragraphs? Ick!
-
- Definitely shift-BS and BS should be the same, as then you can use BS when
- still holding shift. I don't like Edith doing this but even worse Everest has
- this annoying way of deleting everything you've typed if you accidentally keep
- your finger on shift while deleting. Good thing the undo works :)
-
- > windows when they're clicked in not only confuse and frustrate people
- > (myself included), but they often make simple things (like topping
- > windows when you WANT to) difficult.
-
- Especially on MultiTOS or with WinX - if none of the client area and none of
- the gadgets top the window it's a bit difficult :)
-
- > GEM is its own user interface, with its own peculiarities and traits and
- > features that make it distinct from (and some times superior to) other
- > GUI's. Let's not go mucking that up in ways that we don't need to.
-
- I agree. The standard should basically be writing down what is already good
- practice in GEM applications, not completely changing how GEM works. People
- might prefer the Mac, Xwindows, OS/2 or even possibly mswindows, but this isn't
- any of those, it's an Atari with it's own conventions.
-
- > I want my apps to work on people's computers without a lot of crap. I
- > don't want to have to confuse the user by having them install a new
- > program in the AUTO folder to take up more memory just to add a few
- > features to the OS, especially if they have to pay extra for this
- > utility.
-
- Obviously you can have your app enhanced by it, such as select multiple files
- with Selectric, or use skewed or rotated fonts with speedo, or help from
- ST-guide. What you shouldn't do is rely on it to work at all.
-
- Mark-Oliver:
- >> * Selectric - German
- > yep - the best fileselector around :)
-
- Yes, although I've started using BoxKite now which is nearly as good and
- supports long filenames with minixfs.
-
- Warwick:
- >> Atari have done more damage with their guide lines.
- >> They came too late when the standards de-facto have long been
- >> established.
- >
- > What are we doing?
-
- :) Anyway, I don't think standards had long been established. A lot of German
- programs used the Profibuch's standard but this was not used universally by a
- long way. What the standard should mostly be is a compilation of what is
- already good practice anyway.
-
- > Note that it's still non-modal in GEMforms and GEMhotforms. Only for
- > windows does it become modal.
-
- So it's inconsistent. Oh dear... ;)
-
- Michael:
- > If there's no majority against APP_DEFS.SYS, then we must make sure that
- > programmers have to support APP_DEFS.SYS.
-
- Yes it must be supported universally or not at all. Otherwise the user will
- have some apps doing what is set by them in the app_sefs.sys file, and some
- using the normal shortcuts - and both supposedly conforming.
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